UPDATE: Monday night was the first of three public meetings on the C and K Lines operating plan. Unfortunately, technology got the best of us, and we were unable to stream the meeting or allow people to participate by phone or online. Our apologies to everyone who attempted to watch or listen to the meeting. We are working with Zoom to figure out what happened and how we can prevent it from happening again. In the meantime, we’ve created an updated Zoom webinar and tested it, and there are two more community meetings being held this week, listed below with the updated Zoom link and info:
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The first segment of the K Line between Expo/Crenshaw Station and the Westchester/Veterans Station opened last fall. We’re excited to be opening the K Line segment between Westchester/Veterans and the C Line in 2024.
Once the C and K Lines are connected, we need to figure out how to best operate trains on the two lines. See the options below. A lot has changed since this topic was discussed in 2018 — and Metro is taking a fresh look at our options.
You’re invited to learn more about the service options and share your feedback at these upcoming community meetings, in person or via Zoom. Click here for the Zoom link. The in-person meeting info is below:
•Monday, April 24, at 6:30 p.m.: Norwalk City Hall, 12700 Norwalk Blvd, Norwalk, CA 90650. Meeting location served by Metro Line 62, Norwalk Transit Line 1, 3, 4, and 7
•Wednesday, April 26, at 6:30 p.m.: Hilton Garden Inn, 2410 Marine Ave, Redondo Beach, CA 90278. Meeting location served by Metro C Line (Redondo Beach Station), Metro Line215 (rush hours only), and GTrans 1X.
•Saturday, April 29, at 10 a.m.: Magic Johnson Recreation Center, 12645 Wadsworth Av, Los Angeles, CA 90059. Location served by Metro Lines 51 and 53, GTrans Line 5, The Link Willowbrook, DASH Watts Counterclockwise
•Tuesday, May 2, 6:30pm: Virtual only on Zoom
To participate via Zoom once meetings start: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/82817327235 or log in with Zoom ID: 828 1732 7235
By phone: call 213 338 8477 US or 833 548 0282 (Toll Free) and enter the Zoom ID 828 1732 7235.
The three options that we’ll be asking participants to provide feedback on are below. Also, please take our new online survey available in English and Spanish. This input will help Metro’s Board as they consider this matter in mid-2023.
A key part of this segment is the LAX/Metro Transit Center station that’s under construction near Aviation Boulevard and 96th Street. The station will be the transfer point between Metro Rail, local buses and the LAX people mover that will serve airport terminals.
- Provides direct connection to LAX/Metro Transit Center from all C and K Line Stations
- Riders from Norwalk segment of the existing C Line will get direct access to all K Line stations including Expo/Crenshaw connection to the the E Line
- Riders traveling to/from the Redondo Beach segment of the existing C Line will need to change trains at Aviation/Century Station to reach the Norwalk segment
- Riders from the Redondo Beach segment of the existing C Line will need to change trains at LAX/Metro Transit Center to reach K Line stations north of there, including Expo/Crenshaw connection to the E Line
- Provides direct connection to LAX/Metro Transit Center from all C and K Line Stations
- Riders from the Redondo Beach segment of the existing C Line will get direct access to all K Line stations including Expo/Crenshaw connection to the E Line
- Riders traveling from the Norwalk segment of the existing C Line to the Redondo Beach segment of the C Line will need to change trains at Aviation/Century Station
- Riders from the Norwalk segment of the existing C Line will need to change trains at LAX/Metro Transit Center to reach K Line stations north of there, including Expo/Crenshaw connection to the E Line
- Provides direct connection to LAX/Metro Transit Center from all K Line Stations and the Norwalk segment of the existing C Line
- No direct connection to LAX/Metro Transit Center from the Redondo Beach segment of the existing C Line
- Riders from Norwalk segment of the existing C Line will get direct access to all K Line stations, including Expo/Crenshaw connection to the E Line
- Riders traveling from existing C Line stations between Willowbrook/Rosa Parks and Aviation/LAX will have a direct connection to the Redondo Beach segment of the existing C Line
- Riders traveling from Norwalk, Lakewood Bl and Long Beach Bl stations will need to change trains at Aviation/LAX Station to reach the Redondo Beach segment of the existing C Line
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Option 3 is the “best” of the all 3 bad terrible options. The C Line Aviation/Imperial (LAX) Station is just a few hundred feet east of the junction. Options 1 and 2 have you “bypass the junction” to the north by 1 mile to Aviation/Century station to make a connection and backtrack if you are going the “opposite way” on your route. This “connection” wastes at leasts 10-15 minutes of time in best case scenario under “perfect Metro scheduling”, much worse in real life experience. Also this will be a “Slow Interlocking Junction” with speeds only 15 miles/hour due to the tight curve radius of the turn. Bad planning due to MTA plan/build design. Over 4 decades to plan LAX connection and worse design “won”. The Aviation Station/C (Green Line should have been moved West by 500 feet to be in the middle of the WYE (3 way) connection to avoid all this mess. The diagram (map) is not to scale so Metro can mislead us. Google maps shows you the obvious solution in a blink of an eye. Your tax dollars at Waste!! Keep voting Metro Billions of new Taxes for Ever (Measure M, R, State/Fed Grants, and other largess!) Contractors laugh at Metro ideas? Contractors become consultants, become MTA Construction Management/Oversight, keep the revolving door going. See this show before. Wont be the last.
Hyde Park Station (Street Level) At Slauson and Crenshaw is missing from your ALL 3 of your maps.
It is now during the meeting but the Zoom link still doesn’t work.
The zoom id doesn’t work. It says it’s invalid.
Actually, I don’t get it, why can’t each other train run in a different direction.
1 train from Expo to Redondo, 1 train from Redondo to Norwalk, and 1 train from Norwalk to LAX then Expo.
People will have to transfer regardless but at least if you actually stick to a schedule, METRO!!! You can minimize transfers in this direction and people can get automatic results on Google Maps/Transit app to get a time of departure that would require fewer to no transfer to their destination.
This isn’t difficult Metro, you can schedule operators accordingly as well.
But of course this is apparently way too complex for LA county even though we apparently have a “world class transit system
The Zoom hyperlink link isnt working. When is the Zoom, by the way?
Hi Jackie —
That’s the correct link. Use it when the meeting has started and it will work.
Steve Hymon
Editor, The Source
The link says it’s invalid
Option 2 is best. The Green line (C) from Norwalk via Lincoln Ave to Santa Monica Expo is still on the table thus creating another east/west line. Crenshaw line (K) from Hiho to Torrance and beyond creates a badly needed north/south line. Options 1 &3 changes the fundamental flow of the system as we know it unnecessarily.
There’s always the possibility of switching to another option in the future, so keep in mind that this decision doesn’t have to be permanent.
Also it would be helpful if metro shared how often each line would run with each scenario using midday frequencies as a baseline.
My preference is for option 2.
It ensures a single seat ride from all 3 branches to the LAX people mover with adequate frequencies (10 mins or less,)
Option 1 leaves Redondo beach isolated on its own branch.
Option 3 might have service to LAX run every 20 minutes because of how expensive the interline section will be to operate.
Option 3 would be strongly better than other alternatives with modifications that the C Line would still run between Norwalk and Redondo Beach, the K line would run between Expo/Crenshaw and Norwalk, and a new Olive Line(whatever that new line letter is) would run between Expo/Crenshaw and Redondo Beach so that riders can avoid transfers at Aviation/LAX(later renamed as Aviation/Imperial) and Aviation/Century just to save more journey time and providing a better expanded one seat ride
If my suggestion above doesn’t work out then I would recommend going with option 3 with the modification of the C Line to continue down to Norwalk Station because when the C Line service ends at Willowbrook/Rosa Parks Station the train would have go through the turn-back sliding to turn around and riders would eventually forget to get off the train and transfer via K Line to Norwalk. That way you would keep the existing C Line service running between Norwalk and Redondo Beach and the K Line would run between Expo/Crenshaw and Norwalk
unfortunately, the wye was built on the cheap and apparently can’t handle the frequencies needed for 3-line operation.
Option three provides the majority of riders with service between the Blue Line / Century Bl. Corridor and LAX People Mover