L.A. City Council votes to limit e-cigarette use in public spaces

Earlier today, the Los Angeles City Council voted to ban the use of e-cigarettes in bars, nightclubs, restaurants and other public places where conventional smoking is prohibited. This means – whether you agree with the ban or not – “vaping” or use of electronic smoking devices would also be prohibited on Metro.

There’s a lot of back and forth on whether second-hand vapor is harmful to others, and if so, to what degree. Personally, I’m not a fan of e-cigarettes — just because you’re not breathing out smoke doesn’t mean you’re not blowing smells at me. (And Metro’s Code of Conduct also has a section on odors.)

If signed into law by Mayor Eric Garcetti, the measure would take effect in 30 days. In the meantime, vaping is not encouraged on board Metro or inside Metro stations. You may not be cited by LASD (or you might if the odor is strong enough) but at a minimum you will be asked to be mindful of the other passengers around you and kindly asked to stop. j

4 replies

  1. “And Metro’s Code of Conduct also has a section on odors”

    Yeah and much like everything that government tries to over-reach with ridiculous laws and regulations, it’s vague at best.

    “6‐05‐160 Odors  
    A. A person may not be in a Metro facility or vehicle with an unavoidable grossly repulsive odor so extreme it causes a nuisance, unreasonably interferes with the use, operation, or enjoyment of the Metro facilities or vehicles for Metro representatives or patrons, or creates an unsafe condition. (35) 
    B. Extreme odors may arise from a variety of sources, including one’s body, possessions, clothing, food, chemicals, or accompanying animals.”

    How do you define “unavoidable grossly repulsive odor so extreme.” Is there a smell-o-meter that defines this? Some people are allergic to the smell of flowers. There are those who think the smell of fragrance or perfume is repulsive. Can you bring kimchi onboard the bus? Can Metro kick a mentally disabled person for soiling him/herself which is out of his/her control. Can kick out people from riding Metro if they have irritable bowel syndrome and can’t help pass gas?

  2. It’s my understanding that even though e-cigarettes don’t normally contain carcinogenic tars, they usually do still contain nicotine.

    Nicotine is an insecticide. Not just as the active ingredient in “Black Leaf 40” (which I understand to be banned in this country because of the extreme toxicity); rather, that is its function in the tobacco plant. It’s also a highly addictive drug, regarded by many as creating a stronger physiological dependency than ethanol or heroin.

  3. @James Lampert

    “don’t normally contain carcinogenic tars”

    No, they /never/ contain tars of /any/ type.

    “they usually do still contain nicotine.”

    Yes, and said nicotine is absorbed by their mouths. About 5% will likely escape back into the air, and immediately diffuse, causing nobody else to ingest any, unless they blow it directly into their mouth or nose.

    “Nicotine is an insecticide.”

    So is caffeine. Raisins and chocolate will kill dogs. How it effects bugs is a completely moot point, because humans are not bugs.

    “(which I understand to be banned in this country because of the extreme toxicity);”

    Please stop fear mongering. We are not vaping “Black Leaf 40”, we are vaping nicotine, which is not only legal, but available over the counter in the US.

    “It’s also a highly addictive drug, regarded by many as creating a stronger physiological dependency than ethanol or heroin.”

    That has nothing to do with the other passengers on the train. And not that it matters, but the addictive quality of nicotine comes when it is mixed with a MAOI, which tobacco contains, and electronic cigarettes do not.

  4. James Lampert,

    “It’s my understanding that even though e-cigarettes don’t normally contain carcinogenic tars, they usually do still contain nicotine.”

    And your source of information is? Is this one of those “I heard it from a guy whose friend told me that…” type of things? Can you cite a source that says ALL e-cigarettes have nicotine in them????

    Unless you provide a source or citation, your statement is meaningless.

    And one simple Google search is all that it takes to refute your statement:

    http://www.google.com/search?q=e-cigarette+no+nicotine

    E-cigs are powered by a liquid juice which comes in different flavors, with nicotine or without nicotine.