A glimpse of BART's fleet of the future

Our friends at BART in the Bay Area are looking at new rail car designs to replace some of their aging fleet. The above video shows three concepts designed by BMWDesignWorksUSA — check out Concept C.

And here’s a web page on the BART website with more information about the future fleet. Below is one of the exterior designs under consideration: it allows for art work to be shown. Very nice.

Rendering courtesy BART.

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  1. @Ray

    Los Angeles Metro Rail is a new system. Being a government agency, bids must be put in separately for procuring new rail cars.
    Red/Purple Line cars will never be the same as the light rail lines (Expo, Gold, Blue, Green Lines) because of different technical specs.
    When the current fleets of light rail railcars age out they could all be replaced with a single contract and have a completely matching fleet such as San Francisco (an old system), this is not uncommon, San Diego Trolley and NYC Subway have many railcars varying in age, builder, features.

    Also, BART has more in common with CalTrain (NorCal), MetroLink (SoCal), and Metra (Chicago) than it does with LA Metro Rail or NYC Subway, because it is a commuter rail system that happens to use grade separated heavy rail tech. So more comfy tech and seats are necessary for the much longer average trips, compared to say, Muni Metro in San Francisco.


  2. I would actually say that BART is something right in between LA metrorail and Metrolink. It has the distance of commuter rail and widely spaced stations in those outer areas while still having more localized underground stations in urban centers like downtown SF and Oakland (although it still needs more urban stops in my opinion like WMATA has.) IT also has frequency more similar to a metro than a typical commuter rail in the US (every 15 to 20 min or shorter where lines converge vs every 30 min to an hour on most commuter rail). And these new rail cars certainly have more in common with a metro subway type car than a traditional commuter train. Having ridden BART several times I can easily say that a system like that would be excellent for LA.


  3. Actually, BART being a commuter railroad has more in common with Long Island Rail Road (LIRR) and Metro North Rail Road (MNRR) in that both of those commuter railroads use Electrical Multiple Units (EMU) using electrified 3rd Rail such as BART (or in some cases for LIRR and MNR overhead catenary and a few diesal electric like Metrolink). There is just NO COMPARISON of BART to LA Metro Rail.

    One very important thing to remember is that BART is NON-standard gauge making their vehicles more expensive to manufacture (and maintain), so forget about LA ever getting BART concept cars.

    What we will see is most likely for Westside extension are cars very similar to the current ones, which are actually among the better ones in service around the world. Good quality, but off the shelf cars will be economical and the MTA isn’t going to have the money to play around with BART non-standard gauge prototype cars. As stated, MTA riders will on the subway trains for shorter times than those commuting to Fremont, Orinda, or you name it.

    As also stated, is is VERY common for Metro’s around the world to have fleets with a mixture of manufactures and models. This is unavoidable as governments have the bidding process are always trying to get the most with less and if that means an order 100 cars from a different manufacturer, than they have often saved taxpayer money, such as the case of Metrolinnk awarding Rotem the contract to build the “Guardian Fleet” as Bombardier, the legacy fleet manufacturer put forward a significantly higher bid, but between Rotem’s almost too good to be true low bid and Kawasaki’s predictably most expensive bid.

    BART is BART, and no commuter rail road or Metro in the U.S. uses BART’s wider gauge. Now, what I really wish we had the BART has is the excellent signage on platforms that let people know what train has arrived. WE DESPERATELY NEED SUCH A SYSTEM, not an over-priced concept car for the subway. BTW, the latest Breda LRT’s operating on mostly the Gold Line are the top models filled with a lot of tech and automation, so often it is about what upgrades a transit agency orders (from better, more expensive suspensions and boogies to automation packages and head-signs or “skirts” to make trains look nicer on the street that cover the A/C on top and the ugly equipment on the bottom or various hand rail configurations) that make the biggest difference in the quality of the car not necessarily the concept.


  4. I do like BART fleet, there very much better then what we have here in Los Angeles.

    @SMV & Redebbm NOT HAPPENING!! Metro is NOT getting same rail cars like BART when the westside subway extension happens. They might buy more subways cars but would be a different design probably.


  5. “Man” I Hope The MTA Would have a Better Train With TV For The Red Line and Purple Line Too so like this L,A Could have a Better Subway train than the San Francisco Bart Subway Train Or The London Tube Train.